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PostSubject: Squad or Formation?   Tue Mar 12, 2013 2:45 pm

What is the difference between squads (CTRL1-9) and formations (ALT1-9)?
Couldn't find any, is there?..
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PostSubject: Re: Squad or Formation?   Tue Mar 12, 2013 4:39 pm

try both them and move, atack, selected them you will see difference

so: squads (ctrl) are "lighter" than formations (alt)

squads are like in many other games (SC WC), units under squad are in this number when you click (they're all selected),

formations are "harder" connection between units
-units try move together
-units with faster speed get the slowest in the formation (cause of above thing (so its sux if u have formations with horseman and catapults,

anyway almost no one use formations, and sometimes squads (to easier selection)

btw if you find some nice to way to use formations tell us Very Happy
(formation for me look useless, cause this might be useless or i don't find a good way to use this "selection")

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PostSubject: Re: Squad or Formation?   Tue Mar 12, 2013 7:28 pm

funny was thinking about this these days

you can fake units speed with formation, like making a formation with 5 knights and 1 swordsman... it can confuse the opponent if he pays attention to the minimap... same as faking ur thirsha's speed, etc
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PostSubject: Re: Squad or Formation?   Fri Mar 15, 2013 8:12 pm

I don't think many people would look at mini map and think hmmm.. they are coming at me slow must be swordsmen :/ Could be good if you wanted ranged units (which are faster) to stay behind melee units. But I would much rather just micro manage.X
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PostSubject: Re: Squad or Formation?   Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:00 pm

if its always the same game, same maps... probably not idd

maybe crossbowman and berserkers? idk
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PostSubject: Re: Squad or Formation?   Sat Mar 16, 2013 5:25 am

Automatons are excellent meat shields, they can protect your precious Beast Riders, Tortoises, Wagons etc. if in formation and in front of your rest units. Better having an Automaton being shot by Treb, Cannon etc. rather than your Beast Rider, isn't it? Also, Automatons have loooong death animations, occupying/blocking their standing ground while dying and blocking any movement, making melee units difficult to reach your heavy artillery.
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PostSubject: Re: Squad or Formation?   Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:36 am

but i think that small units protect only against flat shots (fire demon, cannoners) not by some "height" shots (stone giant trebuchet) or "very height shot (catapult mortars),

anyway automatons sux, they probably good only hmm against drop trolls, (but still better lots of fire wagons)

anyway that game need some 20 koreans(or other type no lifes) from payment league to discover something new Very Happy, or just we need to play some cd/dc maps more (as cavedog probably thought about that game (offscreen etc) )


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PostSubject: Re: Squad or Formation?   Sat Mar 16, 2013 1:00 pm

Flat-shot units (Cannoners, Musketeers, Fire Deamons) are the main arsenal of 90% of TAKers, so it is a great advantage. Automatons are far from useless; the fact they are the cheapest Creonite fightning unit is a serious advantage if you know when/where to use it; I speak out of experience and, despite of being noob, I try different things with Creon and I know more Creonite tricks & synnergies than the average TAKer.
However, I think I've blocked Treb shots with Automatons once, I am not 100% sure. And we don't need Koreans; any nationality would do the job. Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Squad or Formation?   Sat Mar 16, 2013 5:38 pm

dont worry about omw arthan, he thinks koreans own any pc game without ever playing it, even if many of them have tried in both TA and TAK and they were never the best (and some of them were good at other games)

its like "ah koreans can use many wisps sucessfully", lool they cant even use their monarch well come on... and anyone can discover new stuff, the problem is actually making it popular. also, interesting to read about death animation, sometime ago manolo told me he chose to make guard tower shadows because its death animation is long. today even details like this can make difference, im just not sure how to learn more about animations

ps: just played with a moron who thinks 3v3 is 1v1+1v1+1v1... thats not being bad at tak thats being stupid. "if you are best ever u can hold 3 alone" ye hold kirenna,thirsha,warriors and lagging lokken within 1min as zhon in a small 3rd party map, and i didnt even lose any unit. if you wanna talk shit how about 1v1ing me? or bringing someone to 1v1 me? if you cant pls chill and have fun
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PostSubject: Re: Squad or Formation?   Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:12 pm

Argh, you guys, make me sick. OMW just meant we need good players, and joking, he said we need Koreans. Why? "Because Koreans/Asians always wins, they are always ahead." Can't you understand? Razz
A video to explain better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyL4IOrgK-0. LOL!

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PostSubject: Re: Squad or Formation?   Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:27 pm

they are always ahead like their penis? lol. we dont need good player, just the other way we need noobs to bash on. people just have fun when they win... well sometimes as long as the other dont win its fun enough

many asians played tak and ta and, well i said that already... im pretty sure it would need tens of thousands of them to do that. because tens of hundreds never did in TAK

omw is just trying to say "grrrrr u beat me at tak, i hate u! die die grrrrrr" Very Happy [/joke]
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PostSubject: Re: Squad or Formation?   Sun Mar 17, 2013 8:39 am

DK-Manolo wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyL4IOrgK-0.

he is still not on proper korean level

some koreans were playing TA:K and TA but they weren't play like on korean mode on Very Happy

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he thinks koreans own any pc game without ever playing it

that's true, good that you mention about it (i don't think, i know it Very Happy )
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PostSubject: Re: Squad or Formation?   Sun Mar 17, 2013 10:16 am

korean mode on u mean people who earn money to play the game? sorry that never existed in any cavedog game, so the simple reference is dumb

i just know theres quite a few of them who were very good at other games (call it korean mode idk), and still got owned in tak and ta... then i guess TAK isnt a pc game lol
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PostSubject: Re: Squad or Formation?   Tue Mar 19, 2013 7:13 am

there is possible to make much more than 10 groups/squads

just look at keys.TDF

and make for example:
ctrl q = CreateSquad 11;
lower q = RetrieveSquad 11;
upper q = RetrieveSquad 11;

or for squads example
ctrl q = CreateSquad 11 formation;

P.S
after testing i discover that game engine can handle to 99 groups (range from 1 to 99, 0 can't be squad)


Edit I didn't achieve succes with MapBookmarkRetrieve N , probably there is only 1-4 bookmarkretrieve
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PostSubject: Re: Squad or Formation?   Fri Mar 22, 2013 8:11 pm

MalinOMW wrote:
after testing i discover that game engine can handle to 99 groups (range from 1 to 99, 0 can't be squad)
99 is probably too many ;p
I would really like to know how many squads do pros use? Around 15?
How many are used for factories? Do u use 1 for monarch, or just "track monarch" hotkey?
(its probably too personal though, nvm. War secrets should never be revealed :p)
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PostSubject: Re: Squad or Formation?   Fri Mar 22, 2013 8:50 pm

Vipermagi wrote:
MalinOMW wrote:
after testing i discover that game engine can handle to 99 groups (range from 1 to 99, 0 can't be squad)
99 is probably too many ;p
I would really like to know how many squads do pros use? Around 15?
How many are used for factories? Do u use 1 for monarch, or just "track monarch" hotkey?
(its probably too personal though, nvm. War secrets should never be revealed :p)


we (pro's thank for that description) use usually not many squads,
i (for example) use 1-3 for special units (dragon, tierlast and some other) and other for drops
usually i think 5 would be enough for me, but sometimes i would need 15-20 for "take whole game" (ogarnięcie)

but 10 from origianl game seems enough for everything
so, nvm 10 its good, but sometimes can;t be enough

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PostSubject: Re: Squad or Formation?   Sat Mar 23, 2013 8:08 am

dont worry about that... just be aware that it exists, then use it if u feel its worthy it

i particularly never use ctrl+5 plus, i rarely use more than ctrl+1 and ctrl+2. i dont edit keys.tdf for squads either
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PostSubject: Re: Squad or Formation?   Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:13 am

Don't you use any formations for factories?
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PostSubject: Re: Squad or Formation?   Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:47 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqbpzEHuO2g

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PostSubject: Re: Squad or Formation?   Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:05 am

hmm i think no one use squads and groups for factories, but maybe somebody use it

i just unlike that units produced by factory are in that group (which should be consider as advantage but not for me)

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i prefer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf0R4cNcbmE
or from other "world"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ToJF98BM8o

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